Curse

zamial · Jun 13, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Snograt

Isn't that dependant on the chip? I'm sure my QX is designed to run happily at higher temperatures than bog-standard Qs. I've seen the figure of 64C bandied around.

It's all in the (migraine-inducing) datasheets somewhere... http://download.intel.com/design/pro...s/31559205.pdf

Yes snog your cpu will run at higher temps. This is the delema. The temps you are seeing are the external temps of the cpu not the internal. 1 of the best intel core temp tools is intel TaT. This will give you an accurate reading inside the core. The chips core is designed to shutdown at 100c. People are reporting that idleing core temps are 80-90c, shave off 10c for an after market great air cooler. If the external temps are at 56c under load give or take a 1-2c. This leaves a nice buffer before the max temp is hit. I assume the max temp is the temp the chip cooks. As such, I have listed a nice safe buffer temp for almost any chip (human nature, lol if I said the max safe temp is 62c under load, some fool will take that as the can have that at idle.)

also, accounting for ambient temps going up this time of year.

Now for the hard truth, the qx6700 @ 62c(these # are listed at stock without oc) produces about 200-215watts of heat. This is a large number for an air cooler to dissipate. A standard single fan radiator maxes out at right around there in the water cooling realm. So, be careful attempting to oc that chip on air. Almost everything I have read on it says, if you want to oc it water cool it.

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Originally Posted by Snograt

Also: I usde Céramique on my CPU. Is that wrong? Nasty, gunky stuff, but it's supposed to be good stuff. Non-conductive would mean it doesn't conduct electricity, so it doesn't matter if you overdo it an get a little on other components, whereas AS5 and other conductors will cause a short in such instances.

I hope to hell they all conduct heat ^^

The reason for using Arctic Silver on a cpu is that it will transfer heat better and faster than the ceramique. Is the ceramique safe on a cpu? of course it is, just not as efficient.
If you are afraid of the A.S.5 then I will suggest the zalman "paint on version". 1 coat on the cpu and 1 coat on the heatsink. People seem to be have excellent luck with this product. Also, almost every TIM requires a drying period before it is put into use. I believe the time on A.S.5 is 20 hours, not sure on the zalman.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118010

Snograt · Jun 13, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

That Zalman sounds just the job for a klutz like me. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...20g%20bottl e - as usual, stupid UK prices, but what the hell.

Dark Kal · Jun 16, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by zamial

Air flow in and out of the case:
This is as important as anything else. Good airflow is a must for computers. Typically you should have 1 exhaust fan and the rest blowing air into the case.

No, having more intake fans than exhaust fans creates overpressure which isn't good. You typically want the same amount of intake and outtake fans, or more preferably more exhaust fans than intake fans so you have underpressure which creates a vacuum effect.

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Originally Posted by Snograt

I hope to hell they all conduct heat ^^

Metal conducts heat better than ceramique does. But metal also conducts electricity while ceramique does not, hence why both products exist.

Snograt · Jun 16, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Still on back order :/

Quick question: the 780i has SATA2, whereas my existing 680i has "old" SATA. I know SATA2 cannot be connected to SATA, but will my existing SATA drives be ok on a SATA2 interface?

I'm assuming there's no problem, just the normal "restricted to SATA speed" thing.

zamial · Jun 16, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

There will be no problem running sata. I am running 2 old sata drives at the moment. There are some "issues" with raid arrays and sata optical drives.(unless this was fixed the board doesn't like to do both at the same time.) I have an old IDE optical drive and no raid, also no problems. Basically it is like plugging an old usb device into a usb 2.0 hub. It will work, just not at the fastest speed, rather the slowest of the 2. The difference is 1.5 gb/sec vs. 3 gb /sec. I am waiting on the new raptors to drop in price then I will buy a few.

Snograt · Jun 16, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Aw bums - I just got a SATA DVD writer.

zamial · Jun 16, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Snograt

Aw bums - I just got a SATA DVD writer.

Are you planning to run a raid array? if not then no worries.

Snograt · Jun 16, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Ah cool - I wasn't. The small gains from a RAID array aren't worth the bother, IMO. I'm running a pair of 500GB drives (trusty old WD Caviars), but as solos, not RAIDed.

Cyb3r · Jun 17, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

yeh the only decent board i ever had with a decent Raid controller was my Good old K8V with a via chip on it, can't say the same about my A8N SE -_-

But dual WD Raptors flown on my old board

Snograt · Jun 17, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I must admit, I keep having furtive glances at those Velociraptors - awesome drives, but pricey. Heh, that sums up PC hobbyism in 3 words: awesome but pricey.

zamial · Jun 17, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by Snograt

I must admit, I keep having furtive glances at those Velociraptors - awesome drives, but pricey. Heh, that sums up PC hobbyism in 3 words: awesome but pricey.

lol That made me smile, sir.

Unfortunatly the price and the awesomeness both fade with time. we are not far away now from a next gen rig.

2.5 in. 10,000 rpm hard drives sata2
video cards that are getting their sexy on
monitors that will make you blind

waiting on:
32nm quad cores
ddr3 latency to drop
a sexy mobo to house it all (you know 1 that can support sata2 / dvd burners / and raid at the same time. 16GB of ram. has room for 3 vid cards and a sound card with room for what ever else I need.)
and a cold fusion reactor to power it.

well maybe not the reactor. . .

I have decided to spend up next on a water setup and a new case, I figure after I get that squared away I may be time to look for new hardware. That should be next year or later?

Snograt · Jun 17, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Have I ever mentioned the Thermaltake Armor+?

Watch in awe as a "not a geek at all, honest" type guy reviews it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFwMU0y1re4

zamial · Jun 17, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I would post the case I am getting but I fear that the e-peen would rise to a new level. You get pics when its done and not before!

No, its not that nice case you have (yes, I do like your case), as a matter of fact I randomly stumbled upon a link in a link kinda thing upon my new... p..r..e..c..i..o..u..sssssss. My eyes have never seen anything like it before and it haunts me.

I need money, legally of course!

Snograt · Jun 26, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Update.

Finally received eVGA 780i.

Everything installed nicely - new SATA DVD too.

Problem #1: Even with the new(ish) PO5 BIOS, it will not allow SLI memory function with all 4 DIMMs installed - 2 EPP or 4 sloooooow.

Problem #2: It resets. Every. 3. Minutes. No errors, no bluescreen, just straight to the initial cursor and back to POST.

Dunno, maybe taking 4 GB out might cure it, maybe she's still running hot. Will run some tests and get some data and get back to you. Reset three times whilst writing this post. Thank god for Firefox

Brianna · Jun 26, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Weird.. that really stumps me.

My friend also has some weird problem where every time he raises the resolution the computer just shuts off after a few mins.

Try lowering resolution?

zamial · Jun 26, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by zamial

I have a 780i motherboard.

It turned out that I had a stable overclock for everything except guildwars

. This made no sence at all to me and still does not.

This was also during my run of nvldlkm errors. For me I flashed my bios to the p04 and it all went away. I almost sent a hate e-mail to nvidia but decided not to.

Anyways I am told repeatedly to flash over to the p05 bios, which I have tried. The p05 ran my cpu 10c hotter and disabled my support for 8gigs of ram.

FACTS:
(Yes, I know that I can enter the timings mannually but 2 things, 1: The unsupported line during boot makes me insainly angry as in, "ZAMIAL SMASH!!!" 2: It disables functionallity. So, I switched back to p04. P05 fixed a video corruption bug during dvd playback, I have an actual dvd player *gasp* hooked up to a TV. If I want to watch a movie I turn off my comp and head to the couch. Wear and tear on my dvd player and tv is way less than my computer and I do not download illegal items. P05 has nothing, and I mean no benifit, for me at all. If there is another benifit to using this bios that I am unaware of please do tell what it is. As far as I am concerned, someone with my set-up that has paid for, and per advertised on the nvidia site and the sites that sell there product, should sue for false advertising as with the p05 bios it disables items that they claim the board supports. If the board doesn't actually support this, they should recall the ENTIRE lot of them and replace them with a product that does what this 1 claims to do. I have wasted months of my life chasing nvldlkm errors, thinking it was my fault just to find out it was crap-o-la drivers. This is a sore spot for me perhaps when nvidia releases the p06 bios I will be satisfide only time will tell.

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Quoted my self for obvious reasons, also I am to lazy to retype all that over again.

Brianna · Jun 26, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Saddest thing is that this particular mobo has so many problems, you would figure that if it costs that much then it would have a BIOS that works.

But eh, whatever. That's kind of why I'm torn on what kind of motherboard to buy here in the near future, I just want one that works. I think I'm going to wait for DDR3 to become cheaper/better though.

Cyb3r · Jun 27, 2008, 03:19 AM // 03:19

yes, that sounds very annoying snog try with less ram and try entering the settings manual like alot of people said =(

Snograt · Jun 27, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

Thanks guys. Can't try anything for a few days - under orders to drive wife and kids to mother's for the weekend. At least I was wise enough to go for eVGA - their support is second to none. Damn that POS BIOS. I was told it was so good, too...

Oh, I saw your post Zamiel - made my heart drop, to be sure. If you're having problems, what hope have I got?

See y'all in a couple of days.

(By which time I hope to be green and techy

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Cyb3r · Jun 27, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Haha have fun snograt